All I can say is I have run in many running shoes for the last 40+ years and I have never run in a show that literally just "hurt", hard to explain. Did a 5 miler in them first and was blown away how horrible these felt, but I didn't want to give up so started out another run, ran in my Pro 4's between, and after 100 yards just couldn't take it. I'm sure for some this is a perfect show, but again this was a new experience for me, horrible fit and ride to say the least.

I’ve loved my EVO SLs, but was looking to diversify my lineup a bit. Training a bit more for speed at distance, and as part of that my long runs have changed from primarily mile eating easy runs to some more focused work or containing some segments of higher speed within the long runs. As part of that, I wanted a shoe that could eat miles comfortably, but also be closer to what my race shoes are (picked up a pair of AP4’s under a hundred). These looked to fit the bill. First few runs great. Not as zippy, soft, springy, (or unstable) as the EVO SLs, but I can still really push in them. At bit more room in the upper/toebox as well. Comfortable throughout long distance, I’m looking forward to racking up some heavy miles on these guys.